Curse

Solus Spartan · Dec 13, 2007, 05:15 AM // 05:15

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

Guild Wars is already dead and werent it for the people i have met on here i wouldnt even be logging on anymore. After you completed the game and maybe got 15k armor what is there left? Titels are real easy to get and except for a few require just time. PvP takes way to much time getting into, a team in Ha takes already 1 hour to organize just for 1 guy to leave after you loose in UW? Not worth it imo. I jsut really hope ANet learned from GW1 and will make GW2 a success

Yet here you are on a dead game. Honestly, if your spending your time on GuildWars just to talk to people who barely know you on the net, you've got some weird issues.

Dallcingi · Dec 13, 2007, 06:05 AM // 06:05

Developers said that they will still update GW1 and do not plan to leave it untouched but I think the majority of the GW1 community will move to GW2. It is like SC1 and broodwar and other game expansions... most people move on to the expansion. GW2 is "like" and expansion though its a completely new game. People will be stale with GW1 anyways (and so many are now) so they might come back for a new twist.

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Originally Posted by Solus Spartan

Yet here you are on a dead game. Honestly, if your spending your time on GuildWars just to talk to people who barely know you on the net, you've got some weird issues.

Not really... he justs uses GW as a chat program lol. I talk to 2 guys I met online, they quit GW but I still play, its pretty interesting. It is good to talk about things non GW related though...

boxterduke · Dec 13, 2007, 02:11 PM // 14:11

If GW2 lets me create a Mesmer that is more sexy that my current Mesmer

then GW2 will take more of my free time.

It will be the new game and whoever buys it will be playing it, if they keep running GW1 servers then I'm sure people will still play it.

Gargle Blaster · Dec 13, 2007, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by Magikarp

lol @ppl who dont upgrade into better technology.

if you can explain to me how vista is better than any other modern operating system out there then you might have a point.

vista is bloat. it solves no problem that needs to be fixed. Micro$oft seems to think that an opperating system should control you --- i think an opperating system should set you free...

beanerman_99 · Dec 13, 2007, 03:04 PM // 15:04

I would love to move on to GW2 but not sure if I will. I have a son now so my playing time is severely hindered, but in a good way

The hardest part of "moving on" is letting go of my character and all the stuff I have, all the accomplishments I have done, all the people I have met, all the time I have invested into this game.

I love Guild Wars. I may get bored from time to time and take breaks but I always come back to it. Lets face it, its fun! I don't understand all the hate for this game. To me it sounds like the haters play waaaay too much and then are left wanting for more things to do, better stuff to get and are left feeling Anet should do more. Its called "burnout". For me there is no rush to get through to the last mission, there is no rush to farm a bunch of X to get that elite skin armor or weapon. If I did that I too would probably be sick of Guild Wars.

I can see the reason for wanting to go on to GW2 though and it will be the reason I will most likely try to buy it and that is this:
The feeling of excitement and giddiness of being there when it all begins!! Being part of the first people to explore a new world, to learn together as a group where things are, how things work, what does what....it is rather exciting. Those of us that were around at the beginning of GW1 knows the feeling. There is a much bigger sense of being a community, helping each other, exploring together, talking in-game about the things we find and discover.

It truly is the perfect time to play a game....before everyone becomes jaded and all the complaints of "I Demand More" beging to flood the forums.

Fril Estelin · Dec 13, 2007, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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Originally Posted by Gargle Blaster

if you can explain to me how vista is better than any other modern operating system out there then you might have a point.

Just one word: security.

Fluffiliscious · Dec 13, 2007, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Just one word: security.

If you have any inclination for computers at all it's pretty easy to keep your PC fairly secure. There are enough freeware apps out there to help you along the way that I, personally, don't think it's necessary to pay for Vista just for security reasons. It's just my opinion, though.

Mordakai · Dec 13, 2007, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by beanerman_99

I would love to move on to GW2 but not sure if I will. I have a son now so my playing time is severely hindered, but in a good way

The hardest part of "moving on" is letting go of my character and all the stuff I have, all the accomplishments I have done, all the people I have met, all the time I have invested into this game.

I love Guild Wars. I may get bored from time to time and take breaks but I always come back to it. Lets face it, its fun! I don't understand all the hate for this game. To me it sounds like the haters play waaaay too much and then are left wanting for more things to do, better stuff to get and are left feeling Anet should do more. Its called "burnout". For me there is no rush to get through to the last mission, there is no rush to farm a bunch of X to get that elite skin armor or weapon. If I did that I too would probably be sick of Guild Wars.

I can see the reason for wanting to go on to GW2 though and it will be the reason I will most likely try to buy it and that is this:
The feeling of excitement and giddiness of being there when it all begins!! Being part of the first people to explore a new world, to learn together as a group where things are, how things work, what does what....it is rather exciting. Those of us that were around at the beginning of GW1 knows the feeling. There is a much bigger sense of being a community, helping each other, exploring together, talking in-game about the things we find and discover.

It truly is the perfect time to play a game....before everyone becomes jaded and all the complaints of "I Demand More" beging to flood the forums.

I'm with you 100%.

Gargle Blaster · Dec 13, 2007, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Just one word: security.

<sarcasm>
I have never heard of the "security" operating system. Is it new? How exactly is vista better than this "security" thing?
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Security in an operating system is nonexistent. Nothing is absolute. if you would like to argue how vista is better than another operating system when it comes to security... one word means nothing.

IMHO Mac OS, Ubuntu, Debian, and whatever are more secure than any Micro$oft os. When there are mac/Linux security updates to be fixed normally within a day or so they are fixed -- you could wait months/years for a Micro$oft update. -XP service pack 3 anyone?

EDIT: FYI yes i also work in IT... and yes some people can write pages of bs(i am one of them) however when it comes down to it i can refute any point or argument you might come up with thats pro-Vista. To get back on topic - if GW developers only code for Vista then myself and others will not be playing...

Fril Estelin · Dec 13, 2007, 05:17 PM // 17:17

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Originally Posted by Gargle Blaster

<sarcasm>
I have never heard of the "security" operating system. Is it new? How exactly is vista better than this "security" thing?
</sarcasm>

Security in an operating system is nonexistent. Nothing is absolute. if you would like to argue how vista is better than another operating system when it comes to security... one word means nothing.

IMHO Mac OS, Ubuntu, Debian, and whatever are more secure than any Micro$oft os. When there are mac/Linux security updates to be fixed normally within a day or so they are fixed -- you could wait months/years for a Micro$oft update. -XP service pack 3 anyone?

No offense, but I had this discussion numerous times and the conclusion was that people keep to what they think, whoever the the other one is or whatever he says. It's very easy to make a statement, it's very difficult to back it with solid arguments (mine would take pages to write and I won't do that since it's pointless, see my first sentence, and it's irrelevant to GW and this thread). Let's just say that computers are not only a hobby for me, it's part of my profession (in real life, not in game). Does that give more weight to my opinion? May be, may be not, but I know for sure that I can't change your opinion if you don't want to change it.

Fril Estelin · Dec 13, 2007, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by Fluffiliscious

If you have any inclination for computers at all it's pretty easy to keep your PC fairly secure. There are enough freeware apps out there to help you along the way that I, personally, don't think it's necessary to pay for Vista just for security reasons. It's just my opinion, though.

Agree, but you have to look at the bigger picture: is your pc part of your business? Would you loose significant amounts of money or your job in case of a security breach in your computer? In other words, security is not absolute. It actually makes more sense for businesses (see the stoires of laptop stolen with millions of customer records, TJX in the USA and recently Child Support in the UK). The data on your computer is not worth the efforts of hackers (who no longer hack for fun/prestige but for money) so with a good antivir, a basic firewall, antispyware checks and reasonable configurations, you're safe, as most of us are. But once in a while you'll find a case of ID theft and if it happens to you, believe me, your point of view will totally change.

bhavv · Dec 13, 2007, 05:24 PM // 17:24

I build PC's and Vista is sux. I wouldnt recommend it to anyone. You want security and safety on Windows XP? Just use a decent firewall and Prevx 2.0 for your virus + malware scanner.

I still cant connect to the web on vista with my wireless internet, even the vista drivers for it dont work. So after a few months I cant even load vista up because it hasnt been activated online.

Ive been on every forum, and cant get help from Microsoft because I have an OEM copy of vista, its a widespread problem that Vista just refuses to work with a lot of devices that work on XP.

No backward compatibility in a new OS is phail. And plenty of high tech people that write hardware reviews and do PC's for a living agree that Vista sux and a lot are even reverting back to XP now.

Fluffiliscious · Dec 13, 2007, 05:31 PM // 17:31

Actually, I work at a very large hospital so data security is very important to my job. I use the same security systems on my home PC that are implemented at work because I sometimes have to remote in when I'm on call. It was decided long ago that we would not be upgrading to Vista any time soon and we're not even allowed to download IE7 because it interferes with the proxy that is on most the of the machines (not mine), which would make them less secure.

Do I think GW2 will kill GW1? No, I don't. Until ANet takes down the servers I believe that people will continue to play it. I know I will. I'm a late adopter. I like to wait until some of the kinks are worked out before I buy something so it'll be a while after GW2 is released before I even think about purchasing it.

super strokey · Dec 13, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

I got vista now and its dump... a steaming mountain of computer slowing, ram eating, cycle wasting dump... My wife who knows nothing about computers hates it too. Vista could have been good, in fact it could have been incredible and it still might be after MS stops being retarded. That being said I hope that GW2 does kill GW1, its a natural progression.

Magikarp · Dec 13, 2007, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by bhavv

I build PC's and Vista is sux. I wouldnt recommend it to anyone. You want security and safety on Windows XP? Just use a decent firewall and Prevx 2.0 for your virus + malware scanner.

I still cant connect to the web on vista with my wireless internet, even the vista drivers for it dont work. So after a few months I cant even load vista up because it hasnt been activated online.

Ive been on every forum, and cant get help from Microsoft because I have an OEM copy of vista, its a widespread problem that Vista just refuses to work with a lot of devices that work on XP.

No backward compatibility in a new OS is phail. And plenty of high tech people that write hardware reviews and do PC's for a living agree that Vista sux and a lot are even reverting back to XP now.

funny, my Vista works beyond excellently. never had this mysterious "driver problem" that people seemingly keep complaining about in these debates. in fact, look it up and see what "driver problems" there really are. its 3 or 4 printer/scanner models for a crap company, and some digtial photo drivers that arent compatible... yet. you think windows wont ever release a service pack for vista too? get real. its also funny to see the words "backwards compatibility" and vista, because as someone with over 90 pc games, and probably 20+ pro applications (ergo me), i've had nothing but great, fast results, no "backwards compatibility failure", or anything of the sort. please tell me what programs dont work for you, then we'll talk.

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I got vista now and its dump... a steaming mountain of computer slowing, ram eating, cycle wasting dump... My wife who knows nothing about computers hates it too. Vista could have been good, in fact it could have been incredible and it still might be after MS stops being retarded. That being said I hope that GW2 does kill GW1, its a natural progression.

explain plx how its a "streaming mountain of com..." whatever the heck you jumbled out.

needless to say, if you run ANY pc with less than 2 gigs of ram (xp or not) in this day and age, be slapped, because thats just stupid. it clearly tells people what the reccommended specs are for Vista, whatever type you own, read it, follow the instructions, and maybe you wont be so upset. i have 4 computers, a D4t, a G4, and 2 midline laptops. i pick vista (no sidebar... but who uses widgets.. so blah), over MacX any day. more compatible, i dont need to run paras, and i love the sleek, custom interface.

maybe its just preferance, but its seems like some people just dont know anything about computers.

as for bloatware, blame the manufacturers, not MS. delete it, move on. if you know how to customize a computer, windows is only what you make out of it.

Ulterion · Dec 13, 2007, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

I've been noticing that a lot of people on this forum have the same idea that Anet don't need or don't want to do anything about Guild Wars because, well they don't need to, and wishes for Anet to concentrate making a good Guild Wars 2, comments like, "too late in the game for Anet to do anything" "Anet need to concentrate on Guild Wars 2", "maybe for Guild Wars 2, don't see it happening in Guild War" will this trend eventually kill Guild Wars ? 0r is it already dead to you ...?

Because, I don't like those comments at all, I am one who plan to continue playing Guild Wars even when Guild Wars 2 is out and has many expansion in years to come.

What do you think? do you think Anet has 2 group of people working on Guild Wars and Guild wars 2, one for each or theres one group of people each doing 2 tasks?

enjoy the discussion.

happy days... log out time.

GWars 1 "was" fun to play up until recent updates. Now it's just not fun anymore. Gold drops are all dried-up, PvP's D.Hex ruined PvP, Getting DC'd after a few hours kills Presearing Death-Levels, Text Fade is killing player's vision, /report is hampering people's fun in general, Nerf-Bats are always swinging to the point that all professions will soon suck!), and so on...

The above is only the tip of the iceberg, too... Duping still goes on and anet doesn't check too much for them (only the community can do an effective job of that)... hence, farming DoA is pointless because why farm 4-ever and a day for 1 measily tormented item when you neighbor has 1000 of them w/o even trying...? The list can go on & on... GW1 is doomed. I won't be buying GW2 either, cuz IMO history tends to repeat itself! when GW1 goes away, so will all the armor, weapons (except the crummy destroyer ones) and items will go away... *Anet flushes Toilet!* Now for GW2! (3 years later...) *FLUSH!* Hey guys, GW3! (2-3 years later...) *FLUSH!* Don't like my work being flushed like that, sorry. /notsigned

Magikarp · Dec 13, 2007, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by Ulterion

GWars 1 "was" fun to play up until recent updates. Now it's just not fun anymore. Gold drops are all dried-up, PvP's D.Hex ruined PvP, Getting DC'd after a few hours kills Presearing Death-Levels, Text Fade is killing player's vision, /report is hampering people's fun in general, Nerf-Bats are always swinging to the point that all professions will soon suck!), and so on...

everything you said here was a joke right? you cant be serious...

You can't see me · Dec 13, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

To the title:

Why would the sequal of a game, fabled to be better in every way, NOT kill the original?

Gargle Blaster · Dec 13, 2007, 08:46 PM // 20:46

Magikarp,

Micro$oft(or micro$oft fan boys) must prove that Vista is good b/c there is no propensity to alter the status quo. The burden of proof lies with the people that want change.

Currently vista is not better than any other OS, sans the artificial competition of Micro$oft not releasing directx 10 to XP.

Bloat is not the result of hardware manufactures but lazy programmers. Todays processors are so fast there is no need to write clean code. Good hardware has made a slippery slope of crap and vista is a load of shit falling down the hill. The "need" for 4 gigs of ram is not a selling point.

Guild Wars 1 will never die. If vista is the only option for Guild Wars 2 it will die just like vista has.

Mordakai · Dec 13, 2007, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

To the title:

Why would the sequal of a game, fabled to be better in every way, NOT kill the original?

Well, as Inde pointed out, the sequal could suck, like AC2 which died, but the original lives on.

Or, more likely, it will be like Lineage and Lineage 2, with both considered sucessful MMORPGS.

It all depends on how long Anet keeps the GW servers open. I predict as long as the servers are open, some people will keep playing (after all, it's free!).